Contents
- Introduction and summary of points addressed in this letter – this page
- What John Schroeder should know about the people who interviewed him
- Engine 10: A September 11 chronology – Race to the scene – A man on fire
- Events in the north tower lobby before firefighters arrived
- Firefighters in the north tower lobby – The men of engine 10 get their assignment
- 9:03: An explosion in the lobby?
- Events in the south tower lobby when United flight 175 struck
- The climb to the 23rd floor – Rumors of incoming planes
- 9:59: The south tower collapses
- Evacuation – Stairwell and lobby damage
- 10:28: The north tower collapses – great confusion on Schroeder's part – his interviewers choose to leave him in the dark
- Answers to other questions raised in the interviews, part 1: Bin Laden involvement? – Giuliani foreknowledge of collapse? – Air defenses – Cause of stairwell and lobby destruction – William Rodriguez?
- Answers to other questions raised in the interviews, part 2: Building 7 – Two regular planes? – Announcements in the south tower – Fires in other buildings – Fires in piles – Crime scene? – Towers fell in their footprints? – Steel ejected by explosives?10-minute companion video to this page.
- The Fog of War – Widespread confusion on 9/11 – Putting the pieces together – Post-traumatic stress
- Final thoughts For John Schroeder
Introduction
August 27, 2007Dear John,
First, I want to thank you for your years of service to the people of the city I love, for your actions on 9/11 and after, and to wish you improving health.
My name is Mark Roberts. Over the past year and a half I have spent many hours debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories, particularly those spread by Dylan Avery, Luke Rudkowski, and their associates. These men are the most dishonest people I have ever encountered. In their desperation to find something that will fit their claims, they take the accounts of honest people out of context and sell them as mysteries. They have done this dozens and dozens of times. I believe that you are the latest victim of their dishonesty. Rather than choosing to help you understand what you experienced on 9/11, they have chosen to use you and to add to your confusion in order to further their dishonorable cause.
Much of my debunking effort has gone into putting the accounts of 9/11 first responders in context, to undo the damage done by the conspiracists, and to help first responders like you see through the "fog of war" that you experienced on 9/11.
When I read Manny Badillo's article about you, and saw Dylan Avery's video interview, I immediately knew that I could help you make sense of your 9/11 experience, because some of your misconceptions are very big and very basic. I also knew what a disservice your young "friends" had done you. Make no mistake: these guys know that they are lying to you (I'll make an exception for Badillo: he may simply be ignorant of the facts). The dishonesty of the 9/11 truth movement has been demonstrated countless times. Avery, Bermas, and Rudkowski are are well aware of my work, in which I put back in context the witness accounts they have deliberately abused.
Understandably, you have many questions about the events 9/11. The men who interviewed you chose not to direct you to sources of accurate information to answer those questions. They know what those sources are. Several times they failed to correct you about obvious mistakes in your account, mistakes that any 9/11 researcher would spot instantly and that are crucial to your understanding what happened. Several times they lied to you in an attempt to manipulate your emotions.
First, I want to thank you for your years of service to the people of the city I love, for your actions on 9/11 and after, and to wish you improving health.
My name is Mark Roberts. Over the past year and a half I have spent many hours debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories, particularly those spread by Dylan Avery, Luke Rudkowski, and their associates. These men are the most dishonest people I have ever encountered. In their desperation to find something that will fit their claims, they take the accounts of honest people out of context and sell them as mysteries. They have done this dozens and dozens of times. I believe that you are the latest victim of their dishonesty. Rather than choosing to help you understand what you experienced on 9/11, they have chosen to use you and to add to your confusion in order to further their dishonorable cause.
Much of my debunking effort has gone into putting the accounts of 9/11 first responders in context, to undo the damage done by the conspiracists, and to help first responders like you see through the "fog of war" that you experienced on 9/11.
When I read Manny Badillo's article about you, and saw Dylan Avery's video interview, I immediately knew that I could help you make sense of your 9/11 experience, because some of your misconceptions are very big and very basic. I also knew what a disservice your young "friends" had done you. Make no mistake: these guys know that they are lying to you (I'll make an exception for Badillo: he may simply be ignorant of the facts). The dishonesty of the 9/11 truth movement has been demonstrated countless times. Avery, Bermas, and Rudkowski are are well aware of my work, in which I put back in context the witness accounts they have deliberately abused.
Understandably, you have many questions about the events 9/11. The men who interviewed you chose not to direct you to sources of accurate information to answer those questions. They know what those sources are. Several times they failed to correct you about obvious mistakes in your account, mistakes that any 9/11 researcher would spot instantly and that are crucial to your understanding what happened. Several times they lied to you in an attempt to manipulate your emotions.
John, I have never seen anyone care less about the truth than these people.
I appeal to your intelligence and your honor and ask you to to distance yourself from these apologists for the terrorists who murdered your brothers and my neighbors. By deliberately taking first responder accounts out of context and by not correcting obvious mistakes, they ignore the truth, they disparage the courage and professionalism of your brothers and sisters in service, and they mock the trauma that you experienced and that you struggle with every day.
The members of Ten House who I've spoken with have nothing but contempt for these people. I hope that after reading this letter you will know why.
I welcome your response to this letter and will print it here if you wish.
Sincerely,
Mark Roberts
Brooklyn
The members of Ten House who I've spoken with have nothing but contempt for these people. I hope that after reading this letter you will know why.
I welcome your response to this letter and will print it here if you wish.
Sincerely,
Mark Roberts
Brooklyn
email nyctours(at)gmail.com Website: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home
Regarding your experience on 9/11, these are the main points I will cover in this letter:
1) The people who you saw with burns inside and outside of the north tower were burned by jet fuel that cascaded down the elevator shafts and ignited in fireballs. Overpressure from those fireballs, and falling elevators, is what caused the lobby damage you saw when you arrived. The fires on multiple floors upstairs were also caused by these elevator shaft fireballs. I will provide you with numerous witness accounts that confirm this happening in both towers.
2) As you were about to head upstairs from the north tower lobby, you did hear an elevator falling, and you did hear and see and exploding fireball, but those two events were likely not connected. The explosion and fireball happened outside, and were caused by the impact of United flight 175 on the south tower. This is confirmed by people who were with you.
3) When you were on the 23rd floor, the event that rocked the north tower was not flight 175 hitting the south tower at 9:03 a.m. It was the collapse of the south tower at 9:59 a.m. This is confirmed by people who were with you (and can be confirmed independently of witness accounts, by piecing together the timeline of events). Your interviewers failed to correct you about this important point.
4) There were warnings about a possible incoming plane when you were upstairs. In fact there were several false alarm warnings about planes from different sources that morning.
5) When you had descended to the lower floors, the stairwell was in such bad shape because it had been damaged by the collapse of the south tower. The core of the building below the sixth floor was in an exposed atrium. When you made it to the lobby, it looked like "everything was blown up, exploded" because south tower debris had torn through it. You believed the FDNY command post had been moved to WTC 2, when it in fact had been moved across West Street. The south tower was no longer there. Your interviewers failed to clarify these important points for you.
6) You said that when you were outside, first the north tower collapsed, and then, as you were heading up North End Avenue, the south tower collapsed. As I mentioned above, the south tower collapsed while you were on the 23rd floor of the north. Your interviewers twice failed to correct you about this important point.
7) In your video interview, you and your interviewers raise several other questions which I will answer since your interviewers cannot or will not do so. In answering those questions I will point out more dishonesty by your interviewers.
8) The confusion you experienced in the midst of that battle, and your difficulty in piecing together the events, is common among 9/11 first responders. I will provide you many examples of people who had similar trouble making sense of their 9/11 experiences. When put in context, your account exactly confirms the "official story" of the attacks and collapses.
Before I address these points in
detail in the following pages, I'd like to introduce you to the people who want you to believe that they respect 9/11 first responders, victims, and families,
and who say they care about the truth.